Hi List,
Pale Moon (a Firefox fork) up to version 27 was/is the recommended browser to use via X2Go, as it performs way better than current Firefox and its derivatives, especially over slow links.
With version 28, this is no longer true. Something broke during that update, and performance is now about as slow as with a regular, current Firefox.
We have at least one commercial offer by a developer to get this investigated and fixed, and currently one customer interested in sponsoring this work. However, they fear that the actual fix might exceed their budget.
So, is anyone else out there that needs a fast, and supported/up-to-date browser in an X2Go session?
If so, please either reply in this thread or contact me via E-Mail.
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
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Yea with older firefox I was able to get real time video high res fullscreen fine, now maybe 10-15 frames / second.
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Stefan Baur wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 22:20:56 +0200 From: Stefan Baur <X2Go-ML-1@baur-itcs.de> To: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: [X2Go-User] Attention all users of Pale Moon and X2Go
Hi List,
Pale Moon (a Firefox fork) up to version 27 was/is the recommended browser to use via X2Go, as it performs way better than current Firefox and its derivatives, especially over slow links.
With version 28, this is no longer true. Something broke during that update, and performance is now about as slow as with a regular, current Firefox.
We have at least one commercial offer by a developer to get this investigated and fixed, and currently one customer interested in sponsoring this work. However, they fear that the actual fix might exceed their budget.
So, is anyone else out there that needs a fast, and supported/up-to-date browser in an X2Go session?
If so, please either reply in this thread or contact me via E-Mail.
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
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Am 06.09.2018 um 07:46 schrieb Robert Dinse:
Yea with older firefox I was able to get real time video high res full screen fine, now maybe 10-15 frames / second.
Wow, I was not aware of the fact that browser experience had such high perfomance with older Firefox / Pale Moon 27 respectively. So: yes, I would be interested in continuation of supporting this, if possible.
Kind regards, Jens
Am 06.09.2018 um 09:13 schrieb Jens Bürger:
Am 06.09.2018 um 07:46 schrieb Robert Dinse:
Yea with older firefox I was able to get real time video high res full screen fine, now maybe 10-15 frames / second.
Wow, I was not aware of the fact that browser experience had such high perfomance with older Firefox / Pale Moon 27 respectively. So: yes, I would be interested in continuation of supporting this, if possible.
Thank you for your public show of support. :) I will contact you off-list shortly, to discuss the details.
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
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Am 06.09.2018 um 07:46 schrieb Robert Dinse:
Yea with older firefox I was able to get real time video high res full screen fine, now maybe 10-15 frames / second.
Here's a video showing FF 52 and PM 27 side by side: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kilDivhvMZw>
To get back that superior performance via X2Go, I would suggest supporting the research/development financially, so we can share the costs between all interested parties. And if you can't afford it yourself, please do ask your customers, or at least spread the word among potential interested parties (Linux User Groups, Social Media, whatever).
If you fear my video might be rigged, or simply want to check things out yourself, you can try out Pale Moon 27 (as explained in my original post, the current version, which is version 28, is already affected by the same issue we've seen in recent Firefox releases) yourself. Just go to <https://www.palemoon.org/archived.shtml>, follow the FTP link, and select the /27.x/27.9.4/ subdirectory. There are two tarballs, one for i686, one for amd64. I would recommend to check the digital signature before unpacking/installing, and I would also suggest to try it on a separate test system, just to be on the safe side in case anything goes wrong during install (i.e. picking the wrong tarball by accident and overwriting whatnot in the process).
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
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In my case, I'm using x2go to manage a desktop that's 80ms away from me, which obviously sucks for movies and all those animated ads... tweaking my settings from WAN to ADSL helped.
It would be *nice* if there was some guidance, or possibly even auto-tuning to show howto get the best performance over high bandwidth but laggy links like this.
Should I be tweaking my compression settings as well?
And yes, I'll be trying out Pale Moon as well on my setup to see how well it works for me in my situation.
It might be that I just need to use the web browser locally, and the rest of my stuff is remote. With a full screen remote session, it's not clear how I can make this work on a single screen desktop.
John
Depending on your use case you could try https://www.brow.sh
For streaming performance there are efforts for telekinesis integration but I have never seen it in action. There are some repos at https://github.com/ArcticaProject?tab=repositories.
@Mike#1 Can you say something about the current state if the telekinesis stuff?
Uli
John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> schrieb am Do., 6. Sep. 2018, 17:42:
In my case, I'm using x2go to manage a desktop that's 80ms away from me, which obviously sucks for movies and all those animated ads... tweaking my settings from WAN to ADSL helped.
It would be *nice* if there was some guidance, or possibly even auto-tuning to show howto get the best performance over high bandwidth but laggy links like this.
Should I be tweaking my compression settings as well?
And yes, I'll be trying out Pale Moon as well on my setup to see how well it works for me in my situation.
It might be that I just need to use the web browser locally, and the rest of my stuff is remote. With a full screen remote session, it's not clear how I can make this work on a single screen desktop.
John
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Uli,
There's not really a need for Telekinesis if you want to watch movies in the browser, as long as you use Pale Moon 27 or earlier. Also, Pale Moon is "speedy" not only with regards to video, but for browsing in general (scrolling a page, etc.). That's why we're looking for sponsors to get the PM27 behavior back in the current release. Getting a functional Telekinesis option into X2Go would be nice, but will not solve our current problem.
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
Am 06.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:
Depending on your use case you could try https://www.brow.sh
For streaming performance there are efforts for telekinesis integration but I have never seen it in action. There are some repos at https://github.com/ArcticaProject?tab=repositories.
@Mike#1 Can you say something about the current state if the telekinesis stuff?
Uli
John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> schrieb am Do., 6. Sep. 2018, 17:42:
In my case, I'm using x2go to manage a desktop that's 80ms away from me, which obviously sucks for movies and all those animated ads... tweaking my settings from WAN to ADSL helped.
It would be *nice* if there was some guidance, or possibly even auto-tuning to show howto get the best performance over high bandwidth but laggy links like this.
Should I be tweaking my compression settings as well?
And yes, I'll be trying out Pale Moon as well on my setup to see how well it works for me in my situation.
It might be that I just need to use the web browser locally, and the rest of my stuff is remote. With a full screen remote session, it's not clear how I can make this work on a single screen desktop.
John
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Pale Moon also works with the old style plugins that most modern browsersbroken, that's the primary reason I hang on to it.
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2018, Stefan Baur wrote:
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 19:19:03 +0200 From: Stefan Baur <X2Go-ML-1@baur-itcs.de> To: x2go users <x2go-user@lists.x2go.org> Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Attention all users of Pale Moon and X2Go
Uli,
There's not really a need for Telekinesis if you want to watch movies in the browser, as long as you use Pale Moon 27 or earlier. Also, Pale Moon is "speedy" not only with regards to video, but for browsing in general (scrolling a page, etc.). That's why we're looking for sponsors to get the PM27 behavior back in the current release. Getting a functional Telekinesis option into X2Go would be nice, but will not solve our current problem.
Kind Regards, Stefan Baur
Am 06.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:
Depending on your use case you could try https://www.brow.sh
For streaming performance there are efforts for telekinesis integration but I have never seen it in action. There are some repos at https://github.com/ArcticaProject?tab=repositories.
@Mike#1 Can you say something about the current state if the telekinesis stuff?
Uli
John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> schrieb am Do., 6. Sep. 2018, 17:42:
In my case, I'm using x2go to manage a desktop that's 80ms away from me, which obviously sucks for movies and all those animated ads... tweaking my settings from WAN to ADSL helped.
It would be *nice* if there was some guidance, or possibly even auto-tuning to show howto get the best performance over high bandwidth but laggy links like this.
Should I be tweaking my compression settings as well?
And yes, I'll be trying out Pale Moon as well on my setup to see how well it works for me in my situation.
It might be that I just need to use the web browser locally, and the rest of my stuff is remote. With a full screen remote session, it's not clear how I can make this work on a single screen desktop.
John
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