Hi all,
on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for
X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10.
Builds are pending and should appear during the day.
Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu
versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid)
and Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic).
light+love, Mike
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Wish you didn't have to remove the old, it's hard to tell a potentialcustomer they can't even try it without upgrading their OS.
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote:
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:32:51 +0000 From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> To: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Hi all,
on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10.
Builds are pending and should appear during the day.
Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) and Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic).
light+love, Mike
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Robert
I don't think Mike's saying the old versions will dissappear just that "on launchpad" there would be a version built for Ubuntu 15.x
brian
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Robert Dinse <nanook@eskimo.com> wrote:
Wish you didn't have to remove the old, it's hard to tell a potentialcustomer they can't even try it without upgrading their OS.
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote:
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:32:51 +0000
From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> To: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Hi all,
on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10.
Builds are pending and should appear during the day.
Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) and Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic).
light+love, Mike
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Hi Brian, hi Robert,
On Mi 23 Sep 2015 15:10:53 CEST, brian mullan wrote:
Robert
I don't think Mike's saying the old versions will dissappear just that "on launchpad" there would be a version built for Ubuntu 15.x
brian
Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes
from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from the
PPAs.
As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. If
anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are two
possibilities (at least).
o Build those packages from source by yourself o Request builds from us / someone else as paid work
light+love, Mike
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Am 24.09.2015 um 12:09 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from the PPAs.
As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. If anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are two possibilities (at least).
I don't see a reason why we should remove the packages that were already built. Not providing new packages, not caring about dependency issues etc., not providing security fixes, ... for unsupported distributions/releases is one thing, but deleting what already was there? Do we really have a good reason to annoy users like that (space constraints on our servers or something?)?
Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository?
Doesn't sound like a smart move to me ...
If we're not limited by disk space or something similar, I would suggest moving such packages to a repo that is named <releasename>-unsupported or -outdated or -archive. At least for the time that the main OS repository is still available somewhere, too (think snapshots.debian.org).
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Hi Stefan,
On Do 24 Sep 2015 12:17:58 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote:
Am 24.09.2015 um 12:09 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from the PPAs.
As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. If anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are two possibilities (at least).
I don't see a reason why we should remove the packages that were already built. Not providing new packages, not caring about dependency issues etc., not providing security fixes, ... for unsupported distributions/releases is one thing, but deleting what already was there? Do we really have a good reason to annoy users like that (space constraints on our servers or something?)?
There is a simple reason from the past. People more than once revealed
severe issues in X2Go software and required dependencies (that we
provided via Launchpad). We don't want to provide old code for
download containing known bugs and security issues.
Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository?
I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have
man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios.
Doesn't sound like a smart move to me ..
Not smart, maybe, but strict. I admit, we should have archives
packages. Maybe someone from the devs should work on
archived.x2go.org/<distro>.
If we're not limited by disk space or something similar, I would suggest moving such packages to a repo that is named <releasename>-unsupported or -outdated or -archive. At least for the time that the main OS repository is still available somewhere, too (think snapshots.debian.org).
Indeed. Good point. To late for lucid now, but someone surely should
work on such a concept and design a site for that.
Greets, Mike
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Am 24.09.2015 um 21:34 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
We don't want to provide old code for download containing known bugs and security issues.
I disagree with you here. As long as the repo is clearly tagged "archive", "unsupported", "outdated" or something similar, it should be made available. That way, people "in dire need" can download a copy from there and get their systems up and running again, but they're also made aware of the fact that this is not a supported, current release - with all the functionality, dependency and security hellholes it may bring.
Unix is about freedom of possibilities - this includes the possibility to shoot yourself in the foot if you're not careful.
Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository?
I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios.
This is not about support. This is simply about leaving things that were already available where they are (alright, mv'ing them to a slightly different location, but still, you get my point).
People expect things to be there, especially if there's no previous announcement that a mass delete is about to happen.
So, in short: Next time, when you perform such an action, please send out a "heads-up" message to x2go-project at least 2 weeks prior to taking action. If nobody steps up to mirror/move the repo, I will then notify x2go-dev and x2go-user.
- -Stefan X2Go Project/Community Coordinator
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I really would like to avoid the Microsoft mentality. One reason peoplemove to Linux is so that their existing environment and software can continue to work without forced upgrades. Myself I'm a bleeding edge guy but a lot of people just want something to work and not have to screw with it.
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Stefan Baur wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:45:20 +0200 From: Stefan Baur <X2Go-ML-1@baur-itcs.de> To: "x2go-user@lists.x2go.org" <x2go-user@lists.x2go.org> Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
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Am 24.09.2015 um 21:34 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
We don't want to provide old code for download containing known bugs and security issues.
I disagree with you here. As long as the repo is clearly tagged "archive", "unsupported", "outdated" or something similar, it should be made available. That way, people "in dire need" can download a copy from there and get their systems up and running again, but they're also made aware of the fact that this is not a supported, current release - with all the functionality, dependency and security hellholes it may bring.
Unix is about freedom of possibilities - this includes the possibility to shoot yourself in the foot if you're not careful.
Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository?
I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios.
This is not about support. This is simply about leaving things that were already available where they are (alright, mv'ing them to a slightly different location, but still, you get my point).
People expect things to be there, especially if there's no previous announcement that a mass delete is about to happen.
So, in short: Next time, when you perform such an action, please send out a "heads-up" message to x2go-project at least 2 weeks prior to taking action. If nobody steps up to mirror/move the repo, I will then notify x2go-dev and x2go-user.
- -Stefan X2Go Project/Community Coordinator
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Do you know approximately how much bandwidth the current repositoryeats? And how much such a repository might be likely to eat?
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 19:34:20 +0000 From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> To: Stefan Baur <X2Go-ML-1@baur-itcs.de> Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Hi Stefan,
On Do 24 Sep 2015 12:17:58 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote:
Am 24.09.2015 um 12:09 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from the PPAs.
As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. If anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are two possibilities (at least).
I don't see a reason why we should remove the packages that were already built. Not providing new packages, not caring about dependency issues etc., not providing security fixes, ... for unsupported distributions/releases is one thing, but deleting what already was there? Do we really have a good reason to annoy users like that (space constraints on our servers or something?)?
There is a simple reason from the past. People more than once revealed severe issues in X2Go software and required dependencies (that we provided via Launchpad). We don't want to provide old code for download containing known bugs and security issues.
Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository?
I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios.
Doesn't sound like a smart move to me ..
Not smart, maybe, but strict. I admit, we should have archives packages. Maybe someone from the devs should work on archived.x2go.org/<distro>.
If we're not limited by disk space or something similar, I would suggest moving such packages to a repo that is named <releasename>-unsupported or -outdated or -archive. At least for the time that the main OS repository is still available somewhere, too (think snapshots.debian.org).
Indeed. Good point. To late for lucid now, but someone surely should work on such a concept and design a site for that.
Greets, Mike
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