RfC: How should X2Go handle commercial offers/sponsorships and discussions related to that?
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Hi everyone,
and sorry for not making any further announcements lately. Things have been pretty busy here, and to top it off, I was sick with a severe cold and fever for a good part of the last week.
As you may know, there is an "inner circle" in the X2Go project called the "core team" consisting mainly of the X2Go founders, core developers, and other people currently earning money with X2Go.
During the first few weeks of my "reign", I tried to keep the commercial discussions amongst the core team members out of x2go-dev and out of x2go-project. (My rationale: use x2go-dev for development, use x2go-project for project policies and politics, commercial topics should not "spam" either of those.)
This has led to a negative feedback from one of the core team members, stating that everything should be public. We obviously seem to have a different understanding of what "public" can mean. I would have considered a Wiki page public enough. Seems that not everybody agrees. Now, I don't think either of us is right or wrong here, it just shows that one can have a different viewpoint.
So I would like to ask the x2go-dev community at large: Are you interested in reading all the gory details regarding sponsored development on X2Go, here on this mailing list?
Please choose: a1) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-dev a2) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-project b) Please use a different (new) mailing list dedicated to that purpose c) No, please keep the mailing lists a community-only place d) I have an entirely different, better solution, namely: ____________
I will collect your feedback during the next two weeks and will make up my mind after that.
Kind regards, Stefan X2Go Lead Evangelist/Project and Community Coordinator
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Hi Stefan,
thanks for putting this on the lists.
On Di 27 Jan 2015 11:29:14 CET, Stefan Baur wrote:
This has led to a negative feedback from one of the core team members, stating that everything should be public.
This was me. In a phase of change everyone needs to contribute the
best he/she can to the transparency of ongoing discussions (IMHO).
We obviously seem to have a different understanding of what "public" can mean. I would have considered a Wiki page public enough. Seems that not everybody agrees. Now, I don't think either of us is right or wrong here, it just shows that one can have a different viewpoint.
So I would like to ask the x2go-dev community at large: Are you interested in reading all the gory details regarding sponsored development on X2Go, here on this mailing list?
Please choose: a1) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-dev
-1
a2) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-project
+2
b) Please use a different (new) mailing list dedicated to that purpose
+1
c) No, please keep the mailing lists a community-only place
-2
d) I have an entirely different, better solution, namely: ____________
I will collect your feedback during the next two weeks and will make up my mind after that.
Mike#1
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Hello Stefan,
That would also depend on the sponsor willing to let the name be known. This thing could be twofold, on the one hand you want the development of X2Go to be fully transparent, on the other hand you don't want to miss sponsorships because of it. Then again, everyone involved with X2Go is in it for the better cause of the project i hope. Thus if X2go benefits from sponsorship i can't imagine a sponsor having trouble with mentioning its name. This can even be very attractive for individuals or companies if the sponsor is a big name :) This in turn could mean more contribution to the X2Go as a whole. So I would vote yes for a2 with perhaps additional mentioning on the X2Go website.
Regards,
Jos. Op 27-01-15 om 11:29 schreef Stefan Baur:
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Hi everyone,
and sorry for not making any further announcements lately. Things have been pretty busy here, and to top it off, I was sick with a severe cold and fever for a good part of the last week.
As you may know, there is an "inner circle" in the X2Go project called the "core team" consisting mainly of the X2Go founders, core developers, and other people currently earning money with X2Go.
During the first few weeks of my "reign", I tried to keep the commercial discussions amongst the core team members out of x2go-dev and out of x2go-project. (My rationale: use x2go-dev for development, use x2go-project for project policies and politics, commercial topics should not "spam" either of those.)
This has led to a negative feedback from one of the core team members, stating that everything should be public. We obviously seem to have a different understanding of what "public" can mean. I would have considered a Wiki page public enough. Seems that not everybody agrees. Now, I don't think either of us is right or wrong here, it just shows that one can have a different viewpoint.
So I would like to ask the x2go-dev community at large: Are you interested in reading all the gory details regarding sponsored development on X2Go, here on this mailing list?
Please choose: a1) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-dev a2) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-project b) Please use a different (new) mailing list dedicated to that purpose c) No, please keep the mailing lists a community-only place d) I have an entirely different, better solution, namely: ____________
I will collect your feedback during the next two weeks and will make up my mind after that.
Kind regards, Stefan X2Go Lead Evangelist/Project and Community Coordinator
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Am 27.01.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jos:
Thus if X2go benefits from sponsorship i can't imagine a sponsor having trouble with mentioning its name.
There are such troubles. One has been explained to me already, and there are probably more. And even disclosing this particular one would probably be enough to "unmask" the sponsor in question to those that should not know, so I cannot explain any further, sorry. The name of a sponsor should not be made public unless we have permission for it.
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Hi,
On Di 27 Jan 2015 13:49:47 CET, Stefan Baur wrote:
Am 27.01.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jos:
Thus if X2go benefits from sponsorship i can't imagine a sponsor having trouble with mentioning its name.
There are such troubles. One has been explained to me already, and there are probably more. And even disclosing this particular one would probably be enough to "unmask" the sponsor in question to those that should not know, so I cannot explain any further, sorry. The name of a sponsor should not be made public unless we have permission for it.
of course, we should make it possible for sponsors to stay anonymous.
But the underlying work should be as transparent as possible.
So for sponsors that wish to stay anonymous, the main contractor (i.e.
Stefan, Alex, etc.) needs to act as proxy-person for incoming issue
reports or feature requests from that very sponsor.
Mike
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