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RfC: How should X2Go handle commercial offers/sponsorships and discussions related to that?
by Stefan Baur 27 Jan '15

27 Jan '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, and sorry for not making any further announcements lately. Things have been pretty busy here, and to top it off, I was sick with a severe cold and fever for a good part of the last week. As you may know, there is an "inner circle" in the X2Go project called the "core team" consisting mainly of the X2Go founders, core developers, and other people currently earning money with X2Go. During the first few weeks of my "reign", I tried to keep the commercial discussions amongst the core team members out of x2go-dev and out of x2go-project. (My rationale: use x2go-dev for development, use x2go-project for project policies and politics, commercial topics should not "spam" either of those.) This has led to a negative feedback from one of the core team members, stating that everything should be public. We obviously seem to have a different understanding of what "public" can mean. I would have considered a Wiki page public enough. Seems that not everybody agrees. Now, I don't think either of us is right or wrong here, it just shows that one can have a different viewpoint. So I would like to ask the x2go-dev community at large: Are you interested in reading all the gory details regarding sponsored development on X2Go, here on this mailing list? Please choose: a1) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-dev a2) Yes, please discuss this on x2go-project b) Please use a different (new) mailing list dedicated to that purpose c) No, please keep the mailing lists a community-only place d) I have an entirely different, better solution, namely: ____________ I will collect your feedback during the next two weeks and will make up my mind after that. Kind regards, Stefan X2Go Lead Evangelist/Project and Community Coordinator - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUx2h6AAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZkqkIAJl2r9mNbmEChONrhpcaw8/g FNxfTOaKkEy2XRHOpXmVN4ufqgpLJaO/BI99IPVSe7ptmX+7+aSJ5b1YZ5BAAYaW CuZIPxlX62HanbHjgDg2CflBZXzHKt6yNRwnSkhw/6c7rpY06oz0zmFA24HD9tmL d8azqOQziJw3KjwM4vgE81S8AnSMs0aCrDxIyBdegJ3v7xEtL9sz/9HVuNeCtRAB HRLOEUma/wr49ecCpxv59alWimWUumV76pUb7Zrpv0PimDGUBx/sxUP/VbxXdq1c xnpvSjfMT2Mtw2iMfZ1QedmVmMKAMf75bP29JsNFuQpzGbwrfH1xkM6Ck2C8L9I= =ioP7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [X2Go-Project] [X2Go-Dev] Bug#742: Executing parec seems unnecessary now that X2Go Client for Windows 4.0.3.0 uses PulseAudio 5.0
by Mihai Moldovan 25 Jan '15

25 Jan '15

On 25.01.2015 01:11 AM, Michael DePaulo wrote: > Also, I did not bother to update the changelog because I feel this is > a very minor change, and I do not want to bombard users with too many > details in the changelog. I will confirm on x2go-project that doing so > is OK. Please do document the change. This is make it easier to find out when this "feature"/workaround has been removed, should the removal ever cause problems in the future. This is especially useful for non-coders, who do not wish to dig through git archives in order to track a problem down. Mihai

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Change of responsibilities concerning "infrastrucural bugs" in X2Go
by Mike Gabriel 20 Jan '15

20 Jan '15

Hi all, for several parts of the X2Go infrastructure, we can file bugs against X2Go BTS. The current assignments of those "pseudo-package" bugs are these: """ bugs.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org git.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org debbugs git-admin(a)x2go.org not-a-bug git-admin(a)x2go.org wiki.x2go.org wiki-admin(a)x2go.org lists.x2go.org listadmins(a)x2go.org jenkins.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org packages.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org launchpad.net git-admin(a)x2go.org """ The git-admin has been me for the last years. @Heinz, if not done already: git-admin(a)x2go.org -> git-admin -> Mihai Moldovan For sharing the workload on other issues, I recommend this new assignment model for X2Go BTS: """ bugs.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) debbugs x2go-dev(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) not-a-bug x2go-dev(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) wiki.x2go.org wiki-admin(a)x2go.org lists.x2go.org listadmins(a)x2go.org jenkins.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) packages.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) launchpad.net x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org (NEW) """ This also allows people to track issues with X2Go infrastructure via the X2Go project ML. I'd also love not to have those infrastructural issues "pollute" the x2go-dev mailing list. So, I am proposing the changes as seen in the below diff. --- pseudo-packages.maintainers 2014-11-05 12:22:02.000000000 +0100 +++ pseudo-packages.maintainers.proposal 2015-01-14 10:21:58.000000000 +0100 @@ -1,9 +1,10 @@ -bugs.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org +bugs.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org git.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org -debbugs git-admin(a)x2go.org -not-a-bug git-admin(a)x2go.org +debbugs x2go-dev(a)lists.x2go.org +not-a-bug x2go-dev(a)lists.x2go.org wiki.x2go.org wiki-admin(a)x2go.org lists.x2go.org listadmins(a)x2go.org -jenkins.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org -packages.x2go.org git-admin(a)x2go.org -launchpad.net git-admin(a)x2go.org +jenkins.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org +packages.x2go.org x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org +launchpad.net x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org + Request for feedback, ideas, comments! Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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Call for Participation/Help: possible X2Go talk/demo event at CCC Stuttgart, 2015-02-12, 19:30 CET
by Stefan Baur 15 Jan '15

15 Jan '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (CC'ing x2go-dev as the number of subscribers to x2go-project is still rather low) Hi everyone, the Chaos Computer Club's Stuttgart chapter is in need of help: They have a regular, monthly talk event at the Stuttgart public library, and their speaker for February cancelled on short notice. Which offers us the possibility to present X2Go to a mixed audience of enthusiasts and professionals alike, by offering to fill that slot. Note that they have shown interest in us, but haven't confirmed "booking" us just yet. As soon as they do, I'll add the date to our "Events" wiki page. The talk will be in German. The plan would be to present a talk similar to the one we gave at the IT-Kongress, but with less speakers and on a more abstract level (i.e. not re-using the Immobilienscout24 and Stuttgarter Versicherungen slides) - on the other hand, due to the fact that we will have more time for the talk than at the IT-Kongress, we can do some live demos of the ThinClient Edition, the Published Application Mode, and the Session Broker. Date: 2015-02-12, 19:30 CET Length: max. 90 minutes Loc: Bibliothek am Mailänder Platz, Mailänder Platz 1, 70173 Stuttgart I will be there; the question is, who is willing and able to join me? Usual suspects: Heinz, Stefan#2 (Krug), Mihai - How about you all? Info: There *might* be at least partial sponsorship for train tickets or fuel costs, but there's no final word on that yet. Mike#1: Of course, if you want to join us, you're welcome, too, but I doubt they will pay for your train ticket as well, given the distance involved. ;-) - -Stefan - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUs+gwAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZKcAIAJNSZuq7FSm1M54y0QvAc0pC X+PddXlPdAQwGtSS1jIyafbfbY71QKCKsjs1GbWYcWVUceQVwY9KEIXbOXFevxrG fi3yiteeD/HUpFBrSbwQ3dWHvEDQTE+ZgKCnkedDp8K81AiOSwFENS84ydDdglIJ Ny8s0R9h3Ysf6pK5F6LHmf1t0j/cGkf0IPRQbX1x+kT4XppF7HRlWCtyxSGxaBq4 ktKtqWMQ5EpkBUijvS1lQOq0SeN7hgLuZf1ALAIBXdRG36j8LMfJpFpr+MepglR4 65ksv9SSBspUJmPDsxvZI0MXG0cc9aUn1XivbG6+es6pazWHeftFfBuahSsO+Y4= =OBIL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Clemens Lang: Upload permissions on code.x2go.org
by Mike Gabriel 15 Jan '15

15 Jan '15

HI all, I just added Clemens Lang's public SSH key to x2go-admin's authorized_keys file on code.x2go.org. Clemens Lang is the maintainer of the Mac OS X builds of X2Go Client and until now, I did most of the uploads of built .dmg files. Clemens has agreed to do those uploads himself now. Thanks for that! Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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Re: [X2Go-Project] [X2Go-Dev] Shifting my focus in X2Go
by Heinz-M. Graesing 13 Jan '15

13 Jan '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Mike#1, we really thank you for your contributions, ideas and your help in the last 4 years. Thank you for taking the lead and assuming command when and where leadership was needed especially when the project was lacking it. Our Project is of course more than just the sum of all parts, but first and foremost, it *is* the sum of its parts. And you have been a significant part from the very moment you joined. We are obviously saddened by your decision to retire from most of the key positions you held. At least it did not come as a surprise to us, and we've had a chance to prepare. Also, we are happy about your decision that you will remain active in the project, so we will have a chance to tap into your knowledge and experience, whenever the need should arise. Thank you for contributing your projects and of course thank you for lending us your communication skills! It was a milestone for X2Go to get X2Goclient inside Debian! Pyhoca is offering a second way of usability and now people have a choice about the client. There are so many tasks we should be thankful of (jenkins, nightlies, git-administration, to be continued -> I believe you won't stop) and we really are! It would be a great honor for us to have you as host on our Gathering 2014 in Essen, please visit us 2015 in Treuchtlingen! Best Regards, Heinz-M. Graesing -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUsiorAAoJEKRUbBMT/NRxNM8QAKo38jEUeb9uklEd2SIhIxyw kYQv/WXz3BuNxP2/oMvREi8C/v0tj1WTCQjNc2lqJiROol2yKGqGBiKk9YzIMhRm /2Ye8f5hhgPU0F2K2zXg3XeKEReMXmLu1r1bJRsCpNne4uf4SuJY2Qw4++S+/LWq GApVsTn4+6tprl+jnJyFakafxohyPNGurGgSgdNe6IUF9LCQBA4LemfglSejSuYI LKu/u8aLM3IKJLPDIywGFhV4WNJNr1DPa0iGZWY76pSRNYfZim5NC+bS+pdR8wWc RluRM5bp/Ec18zzXf0Q6fjrMrJuI9acd6oKNWCQpmdJ1BCmvsWn78zkvfgzy7MI/ GZtzEMPBjFC4c1O/w+uTJegVYliOGo+RLejv/yiAfIOrxNWhyLSBsn9hrRT3Gybn OCd2Y9mpAv46BGzAy7nsJt5XsU3UtJ947mOFUtKFOC5N53gFuGyvI1hKKQBPUf6W v6uVLq0f4tDoVoEHBRzenc8/v4Mt8SHtTtKHeaLnUOi4+jveQazNB+c9Zgu1YYl2 7ZInT4O8IGZ2jo18URt2BCujj31U7YUoEAUkoUSuiqW9Dl2f7VZ/swbf4ttveggw HKYlJPwPHQGcSc4A0vmOJ/7vKZIFJIEwneH607YWpKAiotP1s4mrq49m69i3B5cN 1zs99JMcgilnUj7WwACf =Dnrn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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before some students copy from Wikipedia...
by Mike Gabriel 13 Jan '15

13 Jan '15

Hi all, at German schools there is a great debate that high school / grammar school students don't write their own essays but repetitively copy from Wikipedia... Some schools block Wikipedia out of that reason. Before some pure student copies this [1] article, can any of the native English speakers having experience with X2Go, please get things right at en.Wikipedia? Main flaws... o X2Go is _NOT_AT_ALL_ an implementation of the NX remote desktop protocol, it is a protocol of its own!!! It uses the NX-X11 Xserver, that's all. o X2Go can be used to access desktops on a PC, BUT ITS MAIN USE CASE is providing standalone remote sessions (with no physical desktop attached) o X2Go has not been adopted by Fedora, it has been packaged for Fedora... Mike (who hopes there is a wholehearted person out there that knows how to and wants to play with Wikipedia...) [1] Oh my god (or whatever entity people worship to)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X2Go -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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x2go-project ML subscribed at GMANE
by Mike Gabriel 12 Jan '15

12 Jan '15

Hi all, I have subscribed our new ML x2go-project at GMANE. Can someone please volunteer to update the wiki [1,2]? Thanks! I also have the impression, that GMANE's RSS feed is not update regarding our mailing list (see [2]). Mike [1] http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/contact:start [2] http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/news:latest-list-postings -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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work on japsand.x2go.org
by Mike Gabriel 12 Jan '15

12 Jan '15

Hi all, on japsand.x2go.org, I have performed these tasks today: o flush all frozen mails from the exim4 queue o drop exim4 as MTA, install Postfix, with mail.das-netzwerkteam.de as smarthost for now Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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Shifting my focus in X2Go
by Mike Gabriel 10 Jan '15

10 Jan '15

Dear X2Go Community, dear friends, as many of you may know, I have been contributing a considerable amount of time to upstream-maintaining X2Go over the past 4 years. I provided new X2Go components (Python X2Go, PyHoca X2Go Client, a publicly available X2Go Session Broker, X2Go MATE Bindings, etc.) and focused on making X2Go a wide-spread community project. For the last 2-3 years I have been in the role of the X2Go project coordinator and various other roles. With the beginning of 2015, I will pass on several of those roles to other people in the project, see the below list for already assigned and unassigned roles: o project/community coordinator (continued by Stefan Baur) o development coordination (continued by Heinz-Markus Graesing, very probably introducing some sort of agile development) o release management (n.n.) o i18n team leader (n.n.) o package maintenance (continued by Oleksandr Shneyder) o Git administrator (continued by Mihai Moldovan) o bug tracker administrator (continued by Michael DePaulo) The reasons for tremendously reducing my workload on X2Go are these: o more time for development, less involvement in organizational tasks o more time for paid/contracted work (also in the X2Go context) o spend some of my time on doing Remote Desktop Computing research o be more available to Debian and Ubuntu as a package maintainer o be more available to my family In several internal exchanges we (Heinz, Stefan, Mihai, Mike#2, Oleksandr) have discussed several development workflow changes that are likely to be introduced soon within the X2Go project. I leave it to Stefan and Heinz to introduce these ideas publicly via our new mailing list x2go-project(a)lists.x2go.org [1] So that everyone who is interested can get further involved, please make sure you get subscribed to the new x2go-project ML [1] and join the related discussions there. If you are interested, subscribe to this list now. If any of the not-yet-assigned tasks calls your heart, please contact us via the x2go-project ML. Within the last years, we gathered a considerable amount of very genuine people around the X2Go project. People with high social and technical skills, time for contribution and a clear disposition to make X2Go the best terminal server solution on Linux/*nix available, while maintaining it as FLOSS software in all respects. I highly appreciate what we all have achieved during the last years and am thankful for all discussions, experiences and friendships made. Thanks to everyone who helped us coming this far. Thanks to everyone stepping up and taking over more reponsibility within the project. I will continue working on the following X2Go topics in the future: - X2Go Session Broker (component owner) - Python X2Go / PyHoca-GUI+CLI (component owner) - NX (aka nx-libs, component owner) - Debian/Ubuntu packaging of X2Go (downstream/distro activity) For an interim phase (about 2-3 months), I will continue working on my previous tasks. This is to give time to people for arriving in their new roles, so that everyone can gradually take over and feel comfortable. Of course, I will be available for all sorts of questions and advice in the future, if needed. Apart from the interim phase above, I currently have these open X2Go tasks, which I will finish as soon as possible (hopefully at the end of Jan 2015): - do a release cycle of all X2Go components - fix X2Go Desktop Sharing (cross-user, same user, nearly fixed) light+love Mike Gabriel [1] http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-project -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel(a)das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x…

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