Hey,
I know this question was on the list already a couple of months ago but I cannot find it anymore.... So once again: Where is the source of the browser plugin? And where's the source of the win32 client? I quickly browsed through the stuff at http://x2go.obviously-nice.de/deb - but I couldn't find what I am looking for.
Thanks in advance,
Jörg
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 21:23 +0200, Joerg Sawatzki wrote:
Hey,
I know this question was on the list already a couple of months ago but I cannot find it anymore.... So once again: Where is the source of the browser plugin? And where's the source of the win32 client? I quickly browsed through the stuff at http://x2go.obviously-nice.de/deb - but I couldn't find what I am looking for. <snip> I may be wrong but there probably is not a separate Windows client. There is a Qt client which will compile on X, Mac, and Windows so the Windows client source is, in effect, in the x2goclient tarball.
I do not know about the plugin - John
Hi,
I do not know about the plugin - John I just wonder - that plugin has been around for quite a long time - and even the "Linuxmagazin" has published an article glorifiying x2go and the new plugin this month. How is that possible that a renommated tech magazine presents this as the latest open source tool but actually the source is not available anywhere. Anybody who distributes GPLed software in binary form is required to provide access to the sources as well. And that means from the beginning and not after the binaries have been around for some months!
I sometimes have the impression that something needs to be hidden or there's a secret business strategy behind this project why things are delayed or community input is ignored. Remember that we had a discussion about VCS? Shouldn't there be a git repository available very soon? ;)
Hope to see a statement or some direct action from the project leaders/developers...After having quite a big publicity through the media it would be even more important to show the world that you care about being a TRUE OSS project!
Thanks,
Jörg
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Hello Joerg,
I'm still on vacation (Alex was first, now it is my turn) but I wan't to answer this E-Mail to provide further confusion. The question "where is the plugin source?" was answered before on this list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg00604.html
The article on Linuxmagazin is NOT written by us. The plugin is still not released. The whole new version is still not released.
The last weeks I was forced to visit my lawyer because of the name "x2go".
As I know that our community want's to access the source in a more convenient way, we'll work on a public git.
As we don't know if we can keep the name "x2go" we'll do this after this decision is made - or at last after I'm back from vacation to meet Alex again.
bye,
Heinz
Am 15.09.2010 05:13, schrieb Jörg Sawatzki:
Hi,
I do not know about the plugin - John I just wonder - that plugin has been around for quite a long time - and even the "Linuxmagazin" has published an article glorifiying x2go and the new plugin this month. How is that possible that a renommated tech magazine presents this as the latest open source tool but actually the source is not available anywhere. Anybody who distributes GPLed software in binary form is required to provide access to the sources as well. And that means from the beginning and not after the binaries have been around for some months!
I sometimes have the impression that something needs to be hidden or there's a secret business strategy behind this project why things are delayed or community input is ignored. Remember that we had a discussion about VCS? Shouldn't there be a git repository available very soon? ;)
Hope to see a statement or some direct action from the project leaders/developers...After having quite a big publicity through the media it would be even more important to show the world that you care about being a TRUE OSS project!
Thanks,
Jörg
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Hi Heinz,
thx for your answer - I somehow thought it must be more code than these 7.9 kb in plugin.cpp! But it seems that it just forks a new x2goclient process with some undocumented command line options as well as a temporary cfg file and embeds it into the browser window. No secret magic behind it, it seems ;)
Concerning the legal stuff: I'd register the name X2go as a trademark - in Germany that is easily done through www.dpms.de...
Jörg
Am Mittwoch, den 15.09.2010, 11:14 +0200 schrieb Heinz-M. Graesing:
Hello Joerg,
I'm still on vacation (Alex was first, now it is my turn) but I wan't to answer this E-Mail to provide further confusion. The question "where is the plugin source?" was answered before on this list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg00604.html
The article on Linuxmagazin is NOT written by us. The plugin is still not released. The whole new version is still not released.
The last weeks I was forced to visit my lawyer because of the name "x2go".
As I know that our community want's to access the source in a more convenient way, we'll work on a public git.
As we don't know if we can keep the name "x2go" we'll do this after this decision is made - or at last after I'm back from vacation to meet Alex again.
bye,
Heinz
Am 15.09.2010 05:13, schrieb Jörg Sawatzki:
Hi,
I do not know about the plugin - John I just wonder - that plugin has been around for quite a long time - and even the "Linuxmagazin" has published an article glorifiying x2go and the new plugin this month. How is that possible that a renommated tech magazine presents this as the latest open source tool but actually the source is not available anywhere. Anybody who distributes GPLed software in binary form is required to provide access to the sources as well. And that means from the beginning and not after the binaries have been around for some months!
I sometimes have the impression that something needs to be hidden or there's a secret business strategy behind this project why things are delayed or community input is ignored. Remember that we had a discussion about VCS? Shouldn't there be a git repository available very soon? ;)
Hope to see a statement or some direct action from the project leaders/developers...After having quite a big publicity through the media it would be even more important to show the world that you care about being a TRUE OSS project!
Thanks,
Jörg
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Trademarks, especially when operating on a global scale, can be a tricky business.
And this is why you see people 'inventing' weird names so that they don't run into collisions with little known entities in some corner of the world.
The big companies can just buy the little guys out, but when you're just a small startup you usually don't have that option.
Most trademark laws give priority to the person/entity who actually used the mark first in a commercial transaction, even if it wasn't 'registered' with some agency. Sometimes just registering a domain name with the actual intent of growing a business (as opposed to just squatting) around the name/mark is sufficient. Written business plans and documenting the dates/times of business meetings along with meeting minutes can be important here.
GPL source:
The GPL does not care about 'releases'. It only cares about source distribution occurring in concert with binary distribution. If you distribute any binary code in any manner whatsoever, the GPL requires that the source for that binary code also be made available in a form that can reconstruct the binary.
Regards, Gerry
On 09/15/2010 08:32 AM, Jörg Sawatzki wrote:
Hi Heinz,
thx for your answer - I somehow thought it must be more code than these 7.9 kb in plugin.cpp! But it seems that it just forks a new x2goclient process with some undocumented command line options as well as a temporary cfg file and embeds it into the browser window. No secret magic behind it, it seems ;)
Concerning the legal stuff: I'd register the name X2go as a trademark - in Germany that is easily done through www.dpms.de...
Jörg
Am Mittwoch, den 15.09.2010, 11:14 +0200 schrieb Heinz-M. Graesing:
Hello Joerg,
I'm still on vacation (Alex was first, now it is my turn) but I wan't to answer this E-Mail to provide further confusion. The question "where is the plugin source?" was answered before on this list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg00604.html
The article on Linuxmagazin is NOT written by us. The plugin is still not released. The whole new version is still not released.
The last weeks I was forced to visit my lawyer because of the name "x2go".
As I know that our community want's to access the source in a more convenient way, we'll work on a public git.
As we don't know if we can keep the name "x2go" we'll do this after this decision is made - or at last after I'm back from vacation to meet Alex again.
bye,
Heinz
Am 15.09.2010 05:13, schrieb Jörg Sawatzki:
Hi,
I do not know about the plugin - John
I just wonder - that plugin has been around for quite a long time - and even the "Linuxmagazin" has published an article glorifiying x2go and the new plugin this month. How is that possible that a renommated tech magazine presents this as the latest open source tool but actually the source is not available anywhere. Anybody who distributes GPLed software in binary form is required to provide access to the sources as well. And that means from the beginning and not after the binaries have been around for some months!
I sometimes have the impression that something needs to be hidden or there's a secret business strategy behind this project why things are delayed or community input is ignored. Remember that we had a discussion about VCS? Shouldn't there be a git repository available very soon? ;)
Hope to see a statement or some direct action from the project leaders/developers...After having quite a big publicity through the media it would be even more important to show the world that you care about being a TRUE OSS project!
Thanks,
Jörg
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Trademarks, especially when operating on a global scale, can be a tricky business.
And this is why you see people 'inventing' weird names so that they don't run into collisions with little known entities in some corner of the world.
The big companies can just buy the little guys out, but when you're just a small startup you usually don't have that option.
Most trademark laws give priority to the person/entity who actually used the mark first in a commercial transaction, even if it wasn't 'registered' with some agency. Sometimes just registering a domain name with the actual intent of growing a business (as opposed to just squatting) around the name/mark is sufficient. Written business plans and documenting the dates/times of business meetings along with meeting minutes can be important here.
GPL source:
The GPL does not care about 'releases'. It only cares about source distribution occurring in concert with binary distribution. If you distribute any binary code in any manner whatsoever, the GPL requires that the source for that binary code also be made available in a form that can reconstruct the binary.
Regards, Gerry
On 09/15/2010 08:32 AM, Jörg Sawatzki wrote:
Hi Heinz,
thx for your answer - I somehow thought it must be more code than these 7.9 kb in plugin.cpp! But it seems that it just forks a new x2goclient process with some undocumented command line options as well as a temporary cfg file and embeds it into the browser window. No secret magic behind it, it seems ;)
Concerning the legal stuff: I'd register the name X2go as a trademark - in Germany that is easily done through www.dpms.de...
Jörg
Am Mittwoch, den 15.09.2010, 11:14 +0200 schrieb Heinz-M. Graesing:
Hello Joerg,
I'm still on vacation (Alex was first, now it is my turn) but I wan't to answer this E-Mail to provide further confusion. The question "where is the plugin source?" was answered before on this list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg00604.html
The article on Linuxmagazin is NOT written by us. The plugin is still not released. The whole new version is still not released.
The last weeks I was forced to visit my lawyer because of the name "x2go".
As I know that our community want's to access the source in a more convenient way, we'll work on a public git.
As we don't know if we can keep the name "x2go" we'll do this after this decision is made - or at last after I'm back from vacation to meet Alex again.
bye,
Heinz
Am 15.09.2010 05:13, schrieb Jörg Sawatzki:
Hi,
I do not know about the plugin - John
I just wonder - that plugin has been around for quite a long time - and even the "Linuxmagazin" has published an article glorifiying x2go and the new plugin this month. How is that possible that a renommated tech magazine presents this as the latest open source tool but actually the source is not available anywhere. Anybody who distributes GPLed software in binary form is required to provide access to the sources as well. And that means from the beginning and not after the binaries have been around for some months!
I sometimes have the impression that something needs to be hidden or there's a secret business strategy behind this project why things are delayed or community input is ignored. Remember that we had a discussion about VCS? Shouldn't there be a git repository available very soon? ;)
Hope to see a statement or some direct action from the project leaders/developers...After having quite a big publicity through the media it would be even more important to show the world that you care about being a TRUE OSS project!
Thanks,
Jörg
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