Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back, otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of apps, and that is all.
If no one has gotten x2go working with Gnome 3, can anyone suggest where I need to start looking to solve the problem? I don't really know where to start. I already tried /usr/bin/gnome-session as a custom command from the x2go client, but that made no difference, and now I am stuck on what to look at to troubleshoot the problem.
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back, otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of apps, and that is all.
If no one has gotten x2go working with Gnome 3, can anyone suggest where I need to start looking to solve the problem? I don't really know where to start. I already tried /usr/bin/gnome-session as a custom command from the x2go client, but that made no difference, and now I am stuck on what to look at to troubleshoot the problem. <snip> I don't know the answer and do not use Gnome. However, when faced with such unknowing, I usually start adding debug statements to the various
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 02:15 -0700, John Williams wrote: scripts. This can be as simple as an "echo 'I am in such and such a part of the script'" when you can see output or a logger command (logger -t "X2Go PROBLEM " "I am in such and such a part of the script") when I cannot see output. At least, you can then narrow down where it is breaking. Hope that helps - John
V Mon, 2 May 2011 02:15:38 -0700 John Williams <jwilliams4200@gmail.com> napsáno:
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back, otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of apps, and that is all.
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade, have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go (compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3. (Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn 2011.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME replacement...
Regards, Milan
On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 21:59 +0200, Milan Knížek wrote:
V Mon, 2 May 2011 02:15:38 -0700 John Williams <jwilliams4200@gmail.com> napsáno:
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back, otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of apps, and that is all.
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade, have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go (compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3. (Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn 2011.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME replacement... <snip> Interesting. Sounds similar to our desire to stay with KDE3 rather than transition to KDE4 thus we've been using the Trinity desktop (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net) - John
2011/5/3 Milan Knížek <knizek.confy@volny.cz>:
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade, have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go (compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3. (Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn 2011.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME replacement...
No, I did not use a compositing window manager, just the default Gnome 2 settings which did work fine with x2go.
The "fallback" with Gnome 3 is not at all similar to "normal" Gnome. It is not really a desktop environment at all -- seems like just a window manager.
I have never tried KDE before, but I tried it after having this problem. I could not stand it, and it had some compatibility problems (it would not work properly with gnome-terminal -- the windows kept auto-shrinking themselves).
Then I tried LXDE, and that works great with x2go and all my usual programs. I also like the feel of it, and it seems fast (KDE felt slow to me). So it looks like I am switching to LXDE.
2011/5/4 John Williams <jwilliams4200@gmail.com>:
2011/5/3 Milan Knížek <knizek.confy@volny.cz>:
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade, have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go (compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3. (Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn 2011.)
Right. It isn't possible to use accelerated graphics with NX -- at least for the time being. I'd be more than a little surprised if that was to change in the near future. Another problem with these new shells is the growing number of unnecessary animations, even when they don't require acceleration. They still kill the performance for NX-based thin clients. Unity 2D has that problem as well. You need to scroll the launcher, for instance, and since this doesn't look the same every time, NX doesn't really optimize it that much. Unity 2D is available in the Ubuntu repositories already btw, and they've provided an NX-based test for it, using Nomachines Web Companion: http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive (Remember to check Ubuntu 11.04 using Unity 2D.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME replacement...
Well, Gnome is more than a shell. It's quite possible to use Xfce4-panel with the rest of Gnome, or LXPanel if you want to. Gnome-panel will also be available for a long time, so there's no need to rush into radical changes.
I have never tried KDE before, but I tried it after having this problem. I could not stand it, and it had some compatibility problems (it would not work properly with gnome-terminal -- the windows kept auto-shrinking themselves).
I've run KDE4 using X2go and it's seemed to work just fine. I don't really like KDE4 though, so I haven't stuck with it, but it should be a viable option.
Then I tried LXDE, and that works great with x2go and all my usual programs. I also like the feel of it, and it seems fast (KDE felt slow to me). So it looks like I am switching to LXDE.
Yes, LXDE is a brilliant environment and perfectly suited for terminal servers. It really is very fast; on my laptop it's ready for use in less than two seconds while all the others take ten or more. The differences will probably be smaller on a terminal server though. You should also have a look at Xfce, which is more like Gnome 2, but slightly less demanding. I really like both of them.
If you're using Ubuntu, you might be interested to know that the appindicators (the replacement for notification area and stuff in gnome-panel and Unity) are supposed to be available for both LXDE and Xfce as well. I really like that little piece of software and it makes the panels in both DEs more useful, I think. Appindicators are not included in LXPanel or Xfce4-panel by default for performance reasons, and I haven't tried them in those panels myself, but I've been told enabling them doesn't require magic.
Since you said you're looking for a replacement for Gnome, I want to add something: Xfce4-panel is able to run Gnome-panel applets, which may be very useful. I do think Xfce4 is a natural replacement if you want to stick with the Gnome2 experience while at the same time using software that's actively developed, more lightweight and more suitable for terminal servers. But LXDE is great too; I really love both of them. :)
I hope this is of use to you, and please write about your experiences.
Jo-Erlend Schinstad
V Wed, 4 May 2011 09:26:52 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schinstad@gmail.com> napsáno:
2011/5/4 John Williams <jwilliams4200@gmail.com>:
2011/5/3 Milan Knížek <knizek.confy@volny.cz>:
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME replacement...
Since you said you're looking for a replacement for Gnome, I want to add something: Xfce4-panel is able to run Gnome-panel applets, which may be very useful. I do think Xfce4 is a natural replacement if you want to stick with the Gnome2 experience while at the same time using software that's actively developed, more lightweight and more suitable for terminal servers. But LXDE is great too; I really love both of them. :)
A change is always a trouble: I got used to dockbarx GNOME applet (it takes care about minimise/maximise/run_only_once, takes very little space on the panel and works also without 3D effects), which should run under xfce panel thanks to xfapplet. The trouble is, the latter applet crashes in Arch linux).
I will investigate more when the time allows and let the list know.
regards, Milan
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