Hi list,
I'm currently experimenting with x2goclient 3.99.2.2 on Mac OS X and this is what I've found "weird/fix-worthy" so far:
Re: 1) I'm not sure what we can do about this; it seems Mihai's attempts to make the PulseAudio developers aware of the issues have failed. :-(
The other issues look like they could be fixed by the x2go-devs, though, so I'm posting my suggestions here:
Re: 2) "--hide", on Windows (and probably also on Linux, though I never checked it there), means "hide-to-systray", so parts of the application remain accessible via right-click (context menu). I guess a sensible action on Mac OS, when "--hide" is used, would be to do a "minimize" by going straight to the Dock on startup, but, upon clicking the Dock icon, show the usual screen (just like after un-minimizing any other app). This is under the assumption that "2.1)" simply doesn't work on Mac OS. An alternative would be to remain "hidden", i.e. without a visible window on screen, and offering a pull-down menu with all published applications on the top menu bar ("2.2)").
Now, before anyone starts coding away on this, I'd like to see some feedback from the Mac users here: a) Where do you expect to find a list of published applications? b) Is there a UI styleguide by Apple that says this must/must not/should/should not be done in a particular way?
-Stefan
Hallo Stefan,
Am 26.09.2012 13:35, schrieb Stefan Baur:
Hi list,
I'm currently experimenting with x2goclient 3.99.2.2 on Mac OS X and this is what I've found "weird/fix-worthy" so far:
- PulseAudio stutters (just like it does in the current MS-Windows client)
- when x2goclient is called with "--hide", there is no way to access the "Published Applications" menu 2.1) there is no way to start published applications from the dock (compare right-click on systray icon on MS-Windows) 2.2) there also is no way to start published applications from the x2goclient menu on the upper screen border
Re: 1) I'm not sure what we can do about this; it seems Mihai's attempts to make the PulseAudio developers aware of the issues have failed. :-(
The other issues look like they could be fixed by the x2go-devs, though, so I'm posting my suggestions here:
Re: 2) "--hide", on Windows (and probably also on Linux, though I never checked it there), means "hide-to-systray", so parts of the application remain accessible via right-click (context menu).
It is not quite correct. This option is for single applications, which should look for user as running on local system. It should be used with passwordless setup and link on desktop. The user should not see x2goclient window at all. "Minimize to tray" is other feature and it configured from "Configuration" dialog in X2Go client.
I guess a sensible action on Mac OS, when "--hide" is used, would be to do a "minimize" by going straight to the Dock on startup, but, upon clicking the Dock icon, show the usual screen (just like after un-minimizing any other app). This is under the assumption that "2.1)" simply doesn't work on Mac OS. An alternative would be to remain "hidden", i.e. without a visible window on screen, and offering a pull-down menu with all published applications on the top menu bar ("2.2)").
Now, before anyone starts coding away on this, I'd like to see some feedback from the Mac users here: a) Where do you expect to find a list of published applications? b) Is there a UI styleguide by Apple that says this must/must not/should/should not be done in a particular way?
-Stefan
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Am 26.09.2012 13:47, schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder:
Re: 2) "--hide", on Windows (and probably also on Linux, though I never checked it there), means "hide-to-systray", so parts of the application remain accessible via right-click (context menu). It is not quite correct. This option is for single applications, which should look for user as running on local system. It should be used with passwordless setup and link on desktop. The user should not see x2goclient window at all. "Minimize to tray" is other feature and it configured from "Configuration" dialog in X2Go client.
Well, on MS-Windows, "--hide" sends x2goclient to the systray on startup, with the possibility to right-click and select "restore" (or whatever it may be called in English; in German, it's "Wiederherstellen"), so this is what I've come to accept as expected behavior, and I'm looking for a comparable solution for Mac OS.
I'm using this with all the systray options checked in the x2goclient settings and published applications, and it "just works" on MS-Windows.
-Stefan
Am 26.09.2012 13:55, schrieb Stefan Baur:
Am 26.09.2012 13:47, schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder:
Re: 2) "--hide", on Windows (and probably also on Linux, though I never checked it there), means "hide-to-systray", so parts of the application remain accessible via right-click (context menu). It is not quite correct. This option is for single applications, which should look for user as running on local system. It should be used with passwordless setup and link on desktop. The user should not see x2goclient window at all. "Minimize to tray" is other feature and it configured from "Configuration" dialog in X2Go client.
Well, on MS-Windows, "--hide" sends x2goclient to the systray on startup, with the possibility to right-click and select "restore" (or whatever it may be called in English; in German, it's "Wiederherstellen"), so this is what I've come to accept as expected behavior, and I'm looking for a comparable solution for Mac OS.
Yes, but it is only, because you have checked all "systray" options. Without it, you should be not able to see systray icon on windows too.
Alex
I'm using this with all the systray options checked in the x2goclient settings and published applications, and it "just works" on MS-Windows.
-Stefan
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Am 26.09.2012 14:01, schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder:
Yes, but it is only, because you have checked all "systray" options. Without it, you should be not able to see systray icon on windows too.
There is a difference between using "--hide" or not, though, even when checking all the Systray options.
Without "--hide", x2goclient pops up its usual window and will only minimize to the systray after a click on the minimize/close button.
-Stefan
Hi Stefan,
On Mi 26 Sep 2012 13:35:24 CEST Stefan Baur wrote:
Hi list,
I'm currently experimenting with x2goclient 3.99.2.2 on Mac OS X and
this is what I've found "weird/fix-worthy" so far:
- PulseAudio stutters (just like it does in the current MS-Windows client)
- when x2goclient is called with "--hide", there is no way to
access the "Published Applications" menu 2.1) there is no way to start published applications from the dock
(compare right-click on systray icon on MS-Windows) 2.2) there also is no way to start published applications from the
x2goclient menu on the upper screen borderRe: 1) I'm not sure what we can do about this; it seems Mihai's
attempts to make the PulseAudio developers aware of the issues have
failed. :-(The other issues look like they could be fixed by the x2go-devs,
though, so I'm posting my suggestions here:Re: 2) "--hide", on Windows (and probably also on Linux, though I
never checked it there), means "hide-to-systray", so parts of the
application remain accessible via right-click (context menu). I guess a sensible action on Mac OS, when "--hide" is used, would be
to do a "minimize" by going straight to the Dock on startup, but,
upon clicking the Dock icon, show the usual screen (just like after
un-minimizing any other app). This is under the assumption that "2.1)" simply doesn't work on Mac OS. An alternative would be to remain "hidden", i.e. without a visible
window on screen, and offering a pull-down menu with all published
applications on the top menu bar ("2.2)").Now, before anyone starts coding away on this, I'd like to see some
feedback from the Mac users here: a) Where do you expect to find a list of published applications? b) Is there a UI styleguide by Apple that says this must/must
not/should/should not be done in a particular way?
once you are sure if something is an X2Go bug or not, please send a mail to
To: submit@bugs.x2go.org Subject: some proper description of your issue Body: Package: x2goclient Version: 3.99.2.2 Severity: minor
<describe the issue here>
IMPORTANT: please post one issue per bug report, so that we can do the
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Thanks, Mike
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Am 26.09.2012 13:53, schrieb Mike Gabriel:
once you are sure if something is an X2Go bug or not, please send a mail to <snip>
And that's just the point - is it a bug, am I doing it wrong, ...?
I never claimed to be an expert in all things Mac, in fact, I have several issues with their oh-so-famed usability. ;-)
-Stefan