Hi there,
my name is Mike Gabriel and I have recently taken a closer look at
x2go. I must say, it is a fabulous project/product and as I will
probably have needs for a SBC/TC environment like x2go I would like to
offer support, skills and resources:
o vhosts for testing (on root servers, available sometime in September/Octobre) this year) o webspace, db-storage, kolab groupware accounts o skills in Perl, Python, PHP o genuine skills in Ubuntu/Debian system administration o genuine skills in communication (at least I hope I have them) o I won't be much help with the x2goclient, but I think I can add great support to the server aspects of x2go...
I live in Kiel, Germany and currently I am working on a SBC/Opensource
concept for a couple of grammar schools herearound.
During the testing of x2go I have stumbled over quite some issues that
I would like to report to the current developer team. As I have found
no bugtracker with the project, I guess addressing the x2go-dev list
will be best, won't it?
I would like to open a single thread per issue (as opposed to stuffing
all issues into one longish mail). So discussion can wrap around each
thread individually...
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would
like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any
release candidates, yet? Or is the git repository already up, so I can
take a look into the sources?
Let me know how I can support your team!
Best and thanks for all the great work already performed, Mike
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Mike Gabriel schreef:
Hi there,
my name is Mike Gabriel and I have recently taken a closer look at x2go.
Welcome to the list ;-)
I must say, it is a fabulous project/product and as I will probably have needs for a SBC/TC environment like x2go I would like to offer support, skills and resources:
o vhosts for testing (on root servers, available sometime in September/Octobre) this year) o webspace, db-storage, kolab groupware accounts o skills in Perl, Python, PHP o genuine skills in Ubuntu/Debian system administration o genuine skills in communication (at least I hope I have them) o I won't be much help with the x2goclient, but I think I can add great support to the server aspects of x2go...
Sounds nice !
I live in Kiel, Germany and currently I am working on a SBC/Opensource concept for a couple of grammar schools herearound.
During the testing of x2go I have stumbled over quite some issues that I would like to report to the current developer team. As I have found no bugtracker with the project, I guess addressing the x2go-dev list will be best, won't it?
It's OK.
I would like to open a single thread per issue (as opposed to stuffing all issues into one longish mail). So discussion can wrap around each thread individually...
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
There is an older release candidate, but it does not work well.
Or is the git repository already up, so I can take a look into the sources?
I see something here: https://git.x2go.org Not sure it works, I don't have a username/password...
Let me know how I can support your team!
Heinz can answer this question the best, I think.
I would like a rewritten x2gopgwrapper script what does not mess-up my auth.log file with sudo-messages.
With regards, Paul van der Vlis.
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Again we had some things to do this week. We've changed the plugin - for everybody using/playing with it: please download the new one:
There are now three more options supported by the *.x2go file:
showtoolbar=true
This sets the visibility of the x2goplugin toolbar to "hidden" (not "compressed") so it will be not possible to see or use it.
showstatusbar=true
This sets the visibility of the x2goplugin statusbar to "hidden" (not "compressed") so it will be not possible to see it.
At the end of the file you can now attach a ssh key as "autologin" feature. Please be carefull with this option and use it only in secure networks (as this would also allow to login to the machine for real!!!):
-----BEGIN DSA PRIVATE KEY----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -----END DSA PRIVATE KEY-----
The site http://plugin.x2go.org/ will change a lot in the next days. For everybody who want's to use our scripts and css (because we'll provide localisation and some more features):
The current files will be found inside the http://plugin.x2go.org/lib/ directory, which is an link to the current version. We'll also provide static version numbers like http://plugin.x2go.org/lib-0.1/ . Again: at the moment this part is under heavy development and may still change (a lot).
I see something here: https://git.x2go.org Not sure it works, I don't have a username/password...
The git is not up at the moment. But it'll soon - sorry for now...
There are some minor issues left we found during packaging (ldaps has changed in squezze,...), but we are almost trough...
best regards,
Alex & Heinz
Dear Heinz, dear Alex,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 13:52:04 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Will it be an option to host ubuntunized packages of x2go on launchpad.net? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
(i.e. using their build infrastructure...)
There is also a discussion on an debianized launchpad support by canonical... https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/188564
A further option I would like to offer is setting up the launchpad
software (it's opensource) on one of my sites and offering i386 and
amd64 build infrastructure.
With regards, Mike
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Hi again,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 15:25:06 CEST Mike Gabriel wrote:
A further option I would like to offer is setting up the launchpad
software (it's opensource) on one of my sites and offering i386 and
amd64 build infrastructure.
That would be for Ubuntu and Debian then...
Mike
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Mike Gabriel schreef:
Dear Heinz, dear Alex,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 13:52:04 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Will it be an option to host ubuntunized packages of x2go on launchpad.net? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
We would like it if somebody would do Ubuntu packaging, testing and documenting. At the moment only Debian is really good supported.
(i.e. using their build infrastructure...)
There is also a discussion on an debianized launchpad support by canonical... https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/188564
In my opinion packages should come in Debian, and flow to Ubuntu. 70% of the packages in Ubuntu are copies from Debian, so Ubuntu will stay compatible with Debian.
But if it's the other way arround: not automatically. Debian is not compatible with Ubuntu.
A further option I would like to offer is setting up the launchpad software (it's opensource) on one of my sites and offering i386 and amd64 build infrastructure.
I expect Heinz and Alex prefer working on the Debian commandline ;-)
With regards, Paul van der Vlis.
Dear Paul, dear Heinz and Alex,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 18:36:33 CEST Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Mike Gabriel schreef:
Dear Heinz, dear Alex,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 13:52:04 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Will it be an option to host ubuntunized packages of x2go on launchpad.net? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
We would like it if somebody would do Ubuntu packaging, testing and documenting. At the moment only Debian is really good supported.
I am willing to do that...
I expect Heinz and Alex prefer working on the Debian commandline ;-)
That's pretty much sympathetic. The main advantage of Ubuntu's
official launchpad is the multi-architecture-package-building. I am
primarily Debianic also and if you keep an eye on Debian compatibility
within the package itself (i.e. do not utilize Ubuntu specific
features) it
is pretty well feasible to create a lenny and/or squeeze compatible
package within the ubuntu ppa. That might be interesting to people you
run non intel/amd architectures...
Let me hear what you think...
Mike
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On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 13:52 +0200, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
<snip>
Again we had some things to do this week. We've changed the plugin - for everybody using/playing with it: please download the new one:
<snip>
The current files will be found inside the http://plugin.x2go.org/lib/ directory, which is an link to the current version. We'll also provide static version numbers like http://plugin.x2go.org/lib-0.1/ . Again: at the moment this part is under heavy development and may still change (a lot). <snip> Delighted to see the progress but I'm a bit confused. We do have a number of people using the Firefox plugin. Is it supposed to auto-update? Is that the role of the javascript:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>SimplicITy Data Service</title> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://plugin.x2go.org/media/x2goplugin.css"> <script src="http://plugin.x2go.org/media/x2goplugin.js" type="text/javascript"></script> </head> <body onload="checkPlugin()"> <div id="x2goplugin"> <object src="location" type="application/x2go" pluginspage="http://plugin.x2go.org/index.html"
pluginurl="http://plugin.x2go.org/download/x2goplugin_linux32.xpi" data="config.x2go" hidden="false" name="x2goplugin" palette="background" height="100%" hspace="0" vspace="0" width="100%"> <!--x2goplugin //--> </object> </div> <div id="description"> <h4>SimplicITy Plugin</h4> <p>This website will offer you a plugin named "x2goplugin" which will enable you to start or reconnect to your SimplicITy desktop.</br> For more information about SimplicITy and other services to simplify your office, please visit <a href="http://www.pacifera.com">www.pacifera.com</a></br> For more information about X2Go, please visit <a href="http://www.x2go.org">http://www.x2go.org</a>. </p> </div> </body> </html>
Perhaps it's just been a long day but, if I point my Iceweasel to http://plugin.x2go.org, I get a login screen to an X2Go system. If I go to http://plugin.x2go.org/lib/, I see directories for the javascript and css. But I see the actual plugin in http://plugin.x2go.org/download. Should we be manually downloading the plugin from /download? Thanks - John
Dear list, dear Alex+Heinz,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 13:52:04 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Again we had some things to do this week. We've changed the plugin - for everybody using/playing with it: please download the new one:
is there some documentation around the plugin available, already? I
have googled a little, but couldn't find anything.
Main question is: how do i configure the sessions with the x2go
plugin? I understood that there is a .css file and a javascript file
managing the installation and upgrade of the xpi plugin code in
firefox. However, I couldn't find any hints where the plugin retrieves
its configuration from...
Hints are very much appreciated as I would like to play with the plugin...
Cheers, Mike
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is there some documentation around the plugin available, already? I
have googled a little, but couldn't find anything.
There is a first HowTo in the upcomming wiki:
Main question is: how do i configure the sessions with the x2go
plugin? I understood that there is a .css file and a javascript file
managing the installation and upgrade of the xpi plugin code in
firefox. However, I couldn't find any hints where the plugin retrieves
its configuration from...
You can place a *.x2go file somewhere in the net which contains the session data. The session data on the plugin site are invalid - this is because we don't have a testing server at the moment.
best regards,
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Mike Gabriel schreef:
Dear list, dear Alex+Heinz,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 13:52:04 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Hi Paul - hello *@x2go-dev,
Am 25.06.2010 22:39, schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
As I understand a new release of x2go is coming up soon. Thus, I would like to avoid reporting deprecated issues/bugs/problems. Are there any release candidates, yet?
The new version is ready, but the packaging is not. I expect the packaging will be ready very soon.
Again we had some things to do this week. We've changed the plugin - for everybody using/playing with it: please download the new one:
is there some documentation around the plugin available, already? I have googled a little, but couldn't find anything.
Main question is: how do i configure the sessions with the x2go plugin? I understood that there is a .css file and a javascript file managing the installation and upgrade of the xpi plugin code in firefox. However, I couldn't find any hints where the plugin retrieves its configuration from...
Hints are very much appreciated as I would like to play with the plugin...
I think you can use the html sourcecode of http://plugin.x2go.org
With regards, Paul van der Vlis.
Hi Paul,
thank you for your reply.
On Mo 28 Jun 2010 09:08:36 CEST Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Main question is: how do i configure the sessions with the x2go plugin? I understood that there is a .css file and a javascript file managing the installation and upgrade of the xpi plugin code in firefox. However, I couldn't find any hints where the plugin retrieves its configuration from...
Hints are very much appreciated as I would like to play with the plugin...
I think you can use the html sourcecode of http://plugin.x2go.org
I can't see any hints on configuring the x2go server session from
within the html framework... There must be another answer...
Mike
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On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 20:31 +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote:
Hi Paul,
thank you for your reply.
On Mo 28 Jun 2010 09:08:36 CEST Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Main question is: how do i configure the sessions with the x2go plugin? I understood that there is a .css file and a javascript file managing the installation and upgrade of the xpi plugin code in firefox. However, I couldn't find any hints where the plugin retrieves its configuration from...
Hints are very much appreciated as I would like to play with the plugin...
I think you can use the html sourcecode of http://plugin.x2go.org
I can't see any hints on configuring the x2go server session from
within the html framework... There must be another answer...Mike
Here is how we did it.
We created our local web server and, in the root, we placed a file named x2gobase.html with the following contents:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>SimplicITy Data Service</title> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://plugin.x2go.org/media/x2goplugin.css"> <script src="http://plugin.x2go.org/media/x2goplugin.js" type="text/javascript"></script> </head> <body onload="checkPlugin()"> <div id="x2goplugin"> <object src="location" type="application/x2go" pluginspage="http://plugin.x2go.org/index.html"
pluginurl="http://plugin.x2go.org/download/x2goplugin_linux32.xpi" data="config.x2go" hidden="false" name="x2goplugin" palette="background" height="100%" hspace="0" vspace="0" width="100%"> <!--x2goplugin //--> </object> </div> <div id="description"> <h4>SimplicITy Plugin</h4> <p>This website will offer you a plugin named "x2goplugin" which will enable you to start or reconnect to your SimplicITy desktop.</br> For more information about SimplicITy and other services to simplify your office, please visit <a href="http://www.pacifera.com">www.pacifera.com</a></br> For more information about X2Go, please visit <a href="http://www.x2go.org">http://www.x2go.org</a>. </p> </div> </body> </html>
As you can see, this is just slightly customized to our needs - very simple to adapt.
We then created subdirectories for each user. In each subdirectory, we created a link to the x2gobase.html named index.html. In the same user subdirectory, we created a file named config.x2go with contents similar to the following:
session=SimplicITy (our utility office product name) server=x2gohost.mycompany.com user=<we leave this blank as an extra security precaution> sshport=443(or whatever port the user is using) command=KDE rootless=false
It has worked well for us other than the few bugs we reported. Good luck - John
Hi John,
On Mo 28 Jun 2010 20:42:28 CEST "John A. Sullivan III" wrote:
[...]
It has worked well for us other than the few bugs we reported. Good luck - John
ahhh... OK. Thanks a lot! Gerry, I got John's version... No need for a
ZIP file...
Mike
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Am 25.06.2010 19:23, schrieb Mike Gabriel:
Hi there,
my name is Mike Gabriel and I have recently taken a closer look at x2go. I must say, it is a fabulous project/product and as I will probably have needs for a SBC/TC environment like x2go I would like to offer support, skills and resources:
Hello Mike - Thank you!
o vhosts for testing (on root servers, available sometime in September/Octobre) this year)
This is interesting for public testing environments. There are some very intersting desktop project which should be seen by the world (cream desktop environment, sugar,...) of cause the world should also see x2goplugin. We are looking for sponsored public testing environments.
o skills in Perl, Python, PHP
The next administration interface will be build on a JSON-RPC api. We'll build an ajax interface, but there will sure be the need for other flavours of administration gui and some php examples (which we'll won't build).
o genuine skills in communication (at least I hope I have them)
This might be the most needed help at the moment. As the discussion is already moving towards the help with the topic "ubuntu" I'll try to inform you about what is and was going on. We are developing on debian and we are building packages for debian (i386, aamd64, ppc). As we are administrators of x2go systems too, we'll go on building those packages as we'll need them. After some people wanted to use x2go on ubuntu, we've asked them and some ubuntu members, how to build packages for ubuntu. There where some guidlines we should (needed to) follow and so we've developed a own version of x2go for ubuntu. This version was based on the unchanged nxlibs and some other changes to the normal branch of x2go. We've released those packages on launchpad and started a rfp. Then there where a lot of discussions about how to proceed - which all would have lead to a totally incompatible version and to a lot of work on the webguis of canonical. We've stopped the development of this version and added ubuntu compatibility to our debian version. Later we introduced a meta package named "x2goserver-home" which should contain all needed modifications on x2go to work on ubuntu. We are testing x2go with the most recent ubuntu versions but we are no ubuntu users. Besides the packaging for ubuntu there was an rfp for debian - which is in our eyes very important to x2go. It is now closed and Jonas will start his work on x2go - thank you Jonas - thank you Skolelinux! If those packages will reach unstable, they will be accessible to ubuntu too. So why I answered this on you lines of "skills of communication"? This is, because the described development caused a lot of emotional reactions. We receive a lot of emails of ubuntu users and they describe (some times not only polied) us their needs. I wan't to add, that we've started the project with a lot of communication possibilities(forum/list/bugtracker/...) which lead to a lot of work and a lost focus. We reduced the communication to this list only and now everyting works fine despite the fact that there a some people who are afraid of "mailing lists". There will be a forum for newbies soon too (operated by somebody involved in Linux4Afrika). To get back to ubuntu: At the moment there are packages for Arch, Gentoo, Mandriva, SuSE,... all those ports a build with maintainers. We think this too would be a good idea for ubuntu. The packages could be build right out of our *tar.gzs without changes (they are prepared for debian package building). The maintainer could do this on launchpad, earn karma and do whatever the ubuntu folks wan't to see as success of a project. I don't think, that those packages will make their way into ubuntu, but a ppa reduced to the ubuntu compatible packages will help accepting x2go with ubuntu. Maybe it is a good idea to talk to LUG Ottobrunn which is very activly promoting x2go for ubuntu (they too have some experience on the topic "communication/ubuntu").
I live in Kiel, Germany and currently I am working on a SBC/Opensource concept for a couple of grammar schools herearound.
As x2go is used in bavarian schools and with skolelinux in Rheinland-Pfalz, please contact me on this topic.
During the testing of x2go I have stumbled over quite some issues that I would like to report to the current developer team. As I have found no bugtracker with the project, I guess addressing the x2go-dev list will be best, won't it?
Yes and thank you for your contributions!
best regards,
Heinz
Dear Heinz, dear Alex, dear list-folks,
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 22:35:56 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Am 25.06.2010 19:23, schrieb Mike Gabriel:
Hello Mike - Thank you!
o vhosts for testing (on root servers, available sometime in September/Octobre) this year)
This is interesting for public testing environments. There are some very intersting desktop project which should be seen by the world (cream desktop environment, sugar,...) of cause the world should also see x2goplugin. We are looking for sponsored public testing environments.
OK, I will put this into my calendar for Octobre this year (roughly).
--- In Octobre I will hire another root server that will have a couple
of spare resources. I will come back to you once the machine is up and
running... (cream desktop environment looks promising...).
o skills in Perl, Python, PHP
I forgot heavy bashing...
The next administration interface will be build on a JSON-RPC api. We'll build an ajax interface, but there will sure be the need for other flavours of administration gui and some php examples (which we'll won't build).
I am planning to utilize GOsa² for customers' infrastructure
management... I think a GOsa² plugin for x2go management hasn't been
startet yet, has it? Thus, once you have the JSON-RPC api ready, a
management plugin for GOsa² could be nice, couldn't it?
o genuine skills in communication (at least I hope I have them)
This might be the most needed help at the moment. As the discussion is already moving towards the help with the topic "ubuntu" I'll try to inform you about what is and was going on. We are developing on debian and we are building packages for debian (i386, aamd64, ppc). As we are administrators of x2go systems too, we'll go on building those packages as we'll need them.
OK, Debian is completely covered by you then. I read about the NX/Xorg
problem that hinders projects like freenx (rest-in-peace), neatx and
also x2go to move into official Debian repositories.
Thus, staying with an own x2go .deb repository for Debian (and also a
Ubuntu ppa) will stay _the_ option until x2go is available in Debian
Sid.
After some people wanted to use x2go on ubuntu, we've asked them and some ubuntu members, how to build packages for ubuntu. There where some guidlines we should (needed to) follow and so we've developed a own version of x2go for ubuntu. This version was based on the unchanged nxlibs and some other changes to the normal branch of x2go. We've released those packages on launchpad and started a rfp.
OK...
Then there where a lot of discussions about how to proceed - which all would have lead to a totally incompatible version and to a lot of work on the webguis of canonical.
Could you specify on that?
o Why unchanged nxlibs? o Why incompatible? o Why a lot of web-gui work? What kind of work?
We've stopped the development of this version and added ubuntu compatibility to our debian version.
Which is sensible... Is it a problem to use your source code tree for
building Ubuntu packages on launchpad?
Later we introduced a meta package named "x2goserver-home" which should contain all needed modifications on x2go to work on ubuntu. We are testing x2go with the most recent ubuntu versions but we are no ubuntu users.
On Ubuntu Lucid and Karmic (I have no Jaunty instance around) x2go
works perfect. Only problematic is cross-distro usage of pulseaudio
(x2goserver on Ubuntu Lucid, x2goclient on Debian Lenny). Also
problematic is pulseaudio usage between Debian Squeeze (server) and
Lenny (client) ... (i.e. applications on the x2goserver that are
compiled against new libpulse libs and are then expected to run on an
old pulseaudio daemon on the x2goclient --- haven't tested the other
way round, yet...).
pulseaudio has experienced quite some changes between the release of
Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Lucid / Debian Squeeze. Maintaining
compatibility of x2go multimedia features between Lenny and
Squeeze/Lucid from my point of view would mean also providing most a
very recent backport of pulseaudio (and many other libs like libsnd,
libvorbis, ...). I am currently compiling backport packages on my
Debian Lenny system to verify this...
Besides the packaging for ubuntu there was an rfp for debian - which is in our eyes very important to x2go. It is now closed and Jonas will start his work on x2go - thank you Jonas - thank you Skolelinux! If those packages will reach unstable, they will be accessible to ubuntu too.
This is good news... How did you ship around the duplication-of-code
issue in NX/Xorg??? (Very curious...). Could you please confirm my
repetition of your statement. x2go has been accepted in Debian and
will soon appear in Debian Sid!?! Is it already in Debian's
experimental repository?
So why I answered this on you lines of "skills of communication"? This is, because the described development caused a lot of emotional reactions. We receive a lot of emails of ubuntu users and they describe (some times not only polied) us their needs.
What are their needs, exactly??? It is possible to install your
3.0.1-x packages and also use them virtually flawlessly on Ubuntu
systems. To know people's needs is important to address them
adequately. Most people do not always want an answer, quite a couple
of them just want to _feel_ heard...
I wan't to add, that we've started the project with a lot of communication possibilities(forum/list/bugtracker/...) which lead to a lot of work and a lost focus. We reduced the communication to this list only and now everyting works fine despite the fact that there a some people who are afraid of "mailing lists". There will be a forum for newbies soon too (operated by somebody involved in Linux4Afrika).
I was rather surprised to find such an advanced opensource software
project that was missing ,,standard'' facilities of communication.
Issues on the x2go-dev list are mostly x2go-users' issues, actual
discussion about coding, patch snippets etc. are not found in the
threads.
Another point is that it feels like most of / all of the development
rests on yours and Alex's shoulders. This is OK, if it is really
intended. As I hear, there is a lot work to handle, many requests to
answer etc.
I have the impulse to suggest a couple of things, but this needs
explicit allowance from your side. And maybe it's just that I do not
know enough of your internal project structures...
To get back to ubuntu: At the moment there are packages for Arch, Gentoo, Mandriva, SuSE,... all those ports a build with maintainers. We think this too would be a good idea for ubuntu. The packages could be build right out of our *tar.gzs without changes (they are prepared for debian package building). The maintainer could do this on launchpad, earn karma and do whatever the ubuntu folks wan't to see as success of a project. I don't think, that those packages will make their way into ubuntu, but a ppa reduced to the ubuntu compatible packages will help accepting x2go with ubuntu. Maybe it is a good idea to talk to LUG Ottobrunn which is very activly promoting x2go for ubuntu (they too have some experience on the topic "communication/ubuntu").
OK. Is anyone of the LUG Ottobrunn listening to this list? PING!!! I
think a Ubuntu ppa for x2go is a really good idea. And, ike
neatx/formerly freenx, it does not need to enter Ubuntu directly.
Especially not, if you are working on official Debian entry anyway. A
Ubuntu ppa would just be temporary, wouldn't?
So, do I get it right, LUG Ottobrunn hasn't started a Ubuntu ppa for
x2go, yet? Are they planning to? Who shall be addressed to clarify on
that. Just to avoid duplicate effort...
I live in Kiel, Germany and currently I am working on a SBC/Opensource concept for a couple of grammar schools herearound.
As x2go is used in bavarian schools and with skolelinux in Rheinland-Pfalz, please contact me on this topic.
I will do that!
Summary:
o root server coming up in Octobre... I will let you know when it is ready for boarding... o GOsa² plugin sometime in the future... o Formerly Ubuntu ppa: Why unchanged nxlibs in Ubuntu packages? Why incompatible with Debian? Why a lot of web-gui work? What kind of web-gui work? o About Debian rfp: How did you ship around the duplication-of-code issue in NX/Xorg??? o Allowance for suggesting some aspects of communication? On the list or directly first? (Personally, I prefer list discussions) o Status of Ubuntu ppa at LUG Ottobrunn? Contact partner there? Otherwise: Mike becomes Ubuntu ppa maintainer?
Many greetings, Mike
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Hi,
On 06/27/2010 04:54 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote:
On Sa 26 Jun 2010 22:35:56 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote:
Am 25.06.2010 19:23, schrieb Mike Gabriel: Besides the packaging for ubuntu there was an rfp for debian - which is in our eyes very important to x2go. It is now closed and Jonas will start his work on x2go - thank you Jonas - thank you Skolelinux! If those packages will reach unstable, they will be accessible to ubuntu too.
This is good news... How did you ship around the duplication-of-code issue in NX/Xorg??? (Very curious...). Could you please confirm my repetition of your statement. x2go has been accepted in Debian and will soon appear in Debian Sid!?! Is it already in Debian's experimental repository?
This is not solved yet. AFAIK Jonas is interested in packaging X2Go for debian, but the issues of duplicated code have to be solved.
o About Debian rfp: How did you ship around the duplication-of-code issue in NX/Xorg???
By having a debian developer voicing intent to solve the issues.
Br, Erik
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Hi Erik,
On So 27 Jun 2010 18:05:46 CEST Erik Auerswald wrote:
This is good news... How did you ship around the duplication-of-code issue in NX/Xorg??? (Very curious...). Could you please confirm my repetition of your statement. x2go has been accepted in Debian and will soon appear in Debian Sid!?! Is it already in Debian's experimental repository?
This is not solved yet. AFAIK Jonas is interested in packaging X2Go
for debian, but the issues of duplicated code have to be solved.o About Debian rfp: How did you ship around the duplication-of-code issue in NX/Xorg???
By having a debian developer voicing intent to solve the issues.
Ah... OK. Found the corresponding ITP postings on bugs.debian.org.
Thanks, Mike
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