[X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

[Stefan Baur]

Hi Alex,

I don't want to start a battle either, but I think a side-by-side
comparison would be nice so users know what to expect and thus what they
should pick for their intended use.

Back when I tried to follow the installation instructions, they were for
Wheezy only.  Attempting to run the same installation steps for Jessie
failed (Stretch wasn't released back then), and there were no obvious
error messages pointing me toward what I should fix/change.
Which, to me, is an indication that TCE-NFS has lots of "hackish" parts
that need to be altered with every new major Debian release to make them
work again.

I would also like to know what your minimum hardware requirements for
TCE-NFS are.
Even though TCE-Live has the option to run from a RAM disk, it is by no
means mandatory.  I just booted an i386 stretch build of TCE-Live
(without the "toram" parameter) from USB and it shows approximately 69
MB of RAM used in idle, and 76 MB RAM used with a fullscreen session and
pulseaudio running.  I have to admit that this doesn't seem to be the
whole truth, though - actually reducing the RAM on the machine to 128MB
caused a kernel crash right while booting.  With 256MB of RAM, it boots
up, and runs a session - though it's obviously slow because it can use
almost no RAM as buffer/cache.  But I doubt that would be different with
TCE-NFS ...

Kind Regards,
Stefan Baur

Am 18.05.2018 um 11:07 schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder:
> I don't know why you should have troubles with it. The installation
> procedure is described in the Wiki step by step. You can use TCE with
> very simple hardware which is not powerful enough to run TCE-Live. And
> you can make changes in NFS-Root even without restarting thin clients. I
> don't want to start battle "NFS vs Live" here. Everyone should decide it
> for himself. For me TCE-Live is not a substitution for NFS-TCE. And it's
> basically not a Thin Client System by definition. It's more a live image
> system, IMHO.
> 
> regards
> Alex
> 
> Am 18.05.2018 um 10:43 schrieb Stefan Baur:
>> Am 18.05.2018 um 10:32 schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder:
>>> NFS-based TCE has a lot of advantages and will be kept anyway.
>> ... as long as someone is actively maintaining it.  If you have
>> customers paying for it, or you volunteer to maintain it, fine.
>>
>> But I'm not happy with keeping a TCE-NFS in git that works on, say,
>> Debian 9 only, when Debian 10 or 11 becomes/is the stable release.
>>
>> I'm curious to learn about the "lot of advantages" of TCE-NFS.  Go ahead
>> and list them, please, so we can put them in the Wiki and create a
>> side-by-side comparison between TCE-NFS and TCE-Live as a guide for
>> potential users, so they know which version is right for them.
>>
>> My personal experience with TCE-NFS was horrifying, that's why I started
>> TCE-Live.  But maybe it is just a serious lack of documentation of
>> TCE-NFS that made Debian-Live feel way easier to me ...
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Stefan Baur
>>
>>
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